Protesters gather at The Bonneville pub following ‘insensitive’ tweets about stabbing victim
Protester confronts owner of Hackney pub The Bonneville. Photograph: Russell Parton
A group of protesters gathered this evening outside The Bonneville on Lower Clapton Road to confront the new pub’s ‘insensitive’ reaction to a stabbing victim who sought shelter in the pub on Saturday night.
The gathering ended in a heated exchange between the pub’s owner and a handful of protesters calling for residents to boycott the establishment, which opened last week.
On Saturday evening the @BonnevilleE5 tweeted: “#CSIClapton due to events on Lower Clapton Road this evening, we will unfortunately have to close #WelcomeToHackney”.
At 7.04pm another tweet was sent: “Some kid got stabbed over the road and decided to run into ours. Great look for our first week.”
The pub issued a public apology on Sunday which said the victim had been “very aggressive” towards the staff trying to help him, and “more interested in calling his friends to gain retribution for his injury.” At the protest, Gilles told protesters that the apology was poorly handled.
The constructive criticisms and comments made over the last couple of days by people rightfully appalled, have been strongly taken on board
— The Bonneville (@BonnevilleE5) June 17, 2014
Gilles said: “The response to the comments made on social media was totally justified. It was a disgraceful thing to say, not representative of how I feel about the area or the situation.”
The organisers of the protest sent invitations via private messages on social media, calling for participants to “wear aprons, tea towels, and a suggested menu for the Bonnerville (sic).”
About twenty participants turned up, with a few evening commuters joining in as they passed by.
Ruairi Gilles, who co-owns the pub with his brother Mark, emerged from the pub to address the protesters, asserting that he had helped the victim personally.
Adding to days of backlash to the comments on social media, protesters called for the pub to be shut down, and attached tea towels to the building’s facade with messages such as “Bye Bye Bonneville” written on them in permanent marker.
Leslie, who led the confrontation with Gilles, is based in Camden but has family in Hackney.
“We don’t feel welcome here” she told Gilles.
Flyers were handed out labelled with the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC) logo calling for an end to “gentrificleansing.”
The protesters fired questions at Gilles about the nature of his business: What do you charge? Who do you employ? Where are you from? Do you care about the community?
Speaking to the Hackney Citizen, Gilles said: “I think we’re priced fairly and at the end of the day we do have a business to run. The rent increases that everyone’s talking about, we have to pay as well – we don’t own the building.”
Niyazi, who has run the off-license next door to the Bonneville site for seven years, moved to Hackney from Turkey in 1983.
“Someone made a big mistake, but I don’t think they should have to close down because of it,” he said.
“They (the owners) have been here for seven months and they are quite nice people. It’s a nice place. To be honest, we need something like that around here.”
Have these people nothing better to do with their time?
The shocking thing to me is that in all of this, the so-called “community” has managed to protest outside a local business that has created jobs and pays taxes, but hasn’t made a peep about finding the attacker, about appealing for witnesses, about the endemic knife crime in the borough or anything else that might actually make a positive difference to the area.
Many of the online reactions appear to be along the lines of “Hackney’s got knife crime and that’s how we like it. If you don’t like that, get out.” There’s a tolerance and acceptance of criminality and obstruction of the police. Clapton SHOULD be ashamed of this. Clapton SHOULD be ashamed of having a place nicknamed “Murder Mile” and Clapton SHOULD be ashamed that when the attacker is clearly known to people in the community, they are being harboured behind a wall of silence.
That’s what people should be protesting about, not a stupid message on twitter.
Another lesson to be careful what you say on social media and who to entrust with it.
Protests seem a bit much since they’ve apologised. Move on or just don’t go there.
Matt, your comment is by far the best synopsis of the situation so far. Shame on the media for fuelling ridiculous Chinese whispers (they shunned a dying man) rubbish. Shame on ‘hipsters’ pretending not to be hipsters getting in a faux outrage. Shame on others for focusing on everything else but the crime itself.
“The shocking thing to me is that in all of this, the so-called “community” has managed to protest outside a local business that has created jobs and pays taxes, but hasn’t made a peep about finding the attacker”
How do you know this? – pretty big assumption. You could actually do both. Protest AND care about the appalling knife crime problem in Hackney
Hackney Artist – I totally agree with Matt. You show me ONE example on the endless nasty, threatening, pathetic posts people have made on the Bonneville Facebook page where ONCE the subject of knife crime, perpetrators etc is raised. It isn’t there. All there is to see is a ridiculous cacophony of bile including threats. Thoroughly disgusting. It comes to something when an incident like this, which was in bad taste and the owner is trying to do what he can to help matters, is met with a response like that seen online. Total joke.
Isn’t this a… reaction of the whole regeneration that Clapton, and Hackney overall, is going through? House prices go up and force people to relocate , and old haunts are being revamped and has a totally new , foreign for some, audience. Bonneville triggered something thats’ been brewing for a while. It happens everywhere, and its been happening in the past too. Lets not argue about that too, but make sure we listen and try to learn from mistakes, and hopefully get a balance between new and old (people, places and everything else.)
I would have thought fairly obviously people are having a go at the owner rather than the attacker because
1. Attempted murder is so obviously bad behaviour that it doesn’t need decrying as such, whereas acting like a snooty hipster pillock with no sense of caring is tied into a much-hated process of gentrification which has been pushing generations of locals out of the borough while being widely pushed by media sources as a Good Thing.
2. There’s already got a professional force dedicated to tracking lawbreakers down, and they come down quite hard on vigilantism
3. Nobody has any idea who the stabber is, so how precisely are they supposed to tell him or her off about it?
Nobody here once suggested any form of vigilantism. It would be edifying though, to see some balance in the response from the public. It would also be nice if it was recognised that yes, the owner and staff did try to help and do what they can – yet that is swept under the carpet because of a badly judged tweet, and then again because the apology wasn’t acceptable to some. The uproar has little to do with the knife crime – it is simply a convenient device with which residents irritation at gentrification can be channeled via. Most of those complaining haven’t been in Hackney for decades – and they moved there initially because they liked the vibe, and they liked the rents. They started the gentrification of Hackney 10+ years ago. It had nothing to do with this pub. I feel for the owners – what is happening is intimidation and bullying. I left Hackney a couple of years ago because I rent, needed to move and I couldn’t afford Hackney. Was I sad? Of course. But we live in London for crying out loud. To expect anything less than gentrification is completely unrealistic.
Matt & Brad
10 out of 10.
The owner apologised, he did actually try to help the victim, nothing to see here, let’s move on. The Tweet was clearly in poor taste, but I’d give whoever did that a break – they were probably still shocked from what had happened.
I can see the underlying reasons for the protest, but clearly whoever organised it is barking up the wrong tree.
And if people are upset about the ‘welcome to Hackney’ bit, they should ask themselves why this place has the reputation it has. Anyone remember the girl being killed in the Eastway shooting a few weeks ago?
All the best
Andreas
” It would also be nice if it was recognised that yes, the owner and staff did try to help and do what they can”
That’s what you’re SUPPOSED to do. “I called an ambulance for a stab victim.” What do you want, a cookie? You’re not supposed to leave them outside to die you low-expectation-having fool! (With apologies to Chris Rock).
And how on earth do you know who it is complaining? On the demo were you? Did a straw poll? I actually know at least one person who was there btw, who’s a working class resident of 30 years’ standing, and who brought along several others of a similar background.
Perhaps you, Brad, could explain to them how it’s all their fault Hackney’s turning into the playground of the sorts of people who fume because the opening night of their fashionable new bar was marred by someone having the temerity to get stabbed nearby.
And how they shouldn’t be pissed off about that because they should be railing impotently instead against something everyone already knows is bad and which they already pay tax money towards stopping from happening. I’m sure that’ll go down a treat.
As for “oh just accept gentrification” … no. No I don’t think I or anyone else with an ounce of interest in social justice is going to just accept it, because it’s ruining tens of thousands of people’s lives. It’s breaking up families, leaving countless people destitute, driving many more out to places like Essex where there’s no jobs and no prospects. It’s the result of parasitical behaviours from society’s rich which need to be resisted. And will be, regardless your braying dismissals.
I think Rob has hit on the real reason for the protest and the outrage. People, particularly those on the political left, of which there are many in Hackney, get more angry about successful business people opening a restaurant at which they can’t afford to eat, than they do about gang violence and stabbings.
A response to Rob R.
These comments are rather over the top and not very well informed. I was collecting my daughter from Hackney Baths (next door to the new bar) and the two demonstrators I saw were also poorly informed. So I do know who was there and they certainly weren’t ready to listen to any criticism of their ideas. They probably thought we were all as simplistic as them. I moved to Clapton 20 yrs ago. At the time the streets were filthy and I certainly wouldn’t go to the park with my kids. The said kid, by the way, is doing a degree at Bristol uni. Which brings me to one of my points. Just because we live in Hackney do we have to have low aspirations? I don’t think so. And I’ve yet to witness herds of poor people going off to Essex. Just what do you mean by gentrification? Trying to make our neighbourhood a better place to live? Or maybe getting rid of decent schools like Mossbourne. Actually one of the best schools in the country with an ‘outstanding’ from OFSTED. And who does this school serve? Well, mainly kids from the Pembury estate. The very people, in other words, who are ‘suffering’ so badly from the fact that this is actually starting to become a very pleasant place to live.
The problem with your argument is that it is based on an unbalanced view of Hackney that is prejudiced because you don’t understand the complexities of this issue.
I certainly can’t afford to drink in some of the pubs around here, or the coffee shops. They’re too expensive. But I do recognise the positives that a few upmarket bars and cafés can bring to the area. It’s not gentrification, just like having good schools isn’t. If you want to get rid of the positives of Hackney’s infrastructure, then I’m gonna be off to Essex!
Now, if you really want to know what’s draining the life out of our area, you don’t have to look much further than the betting shops and the money men who want to take advantage of the people who can least afford it. They are the parasites who care for money more than people. But the demonstrators yesterday didn’t get that observation.
The thing is, Rob, communities are not simply made of buildings stuffed with overpriced beer and coffee. They are made of people who care about where they live.
And why not have a few of these overpriced shops and restaurants? They are a relatively silent inconvenience. So what about the betting shops. What about the money men who want to make a profit from vulnerable people. Why don’t we start by getting rid of them?
Who really cares about the yuppies? Not me. Nor am I jealous that they’ve got enough money to spend in Clapton and I haven’t.
I’m glad that instead of murder mile we’ve got a few posh bars and hairdressers. Better than what it was when I moved to Clapton. Wake up and smell the (very overpriced) coffe Rob. Let’s not go back 20 yrs!
Paul
Please stop slagging off Essex!
That’s the thing Rob. You aren’t willing to listen and you paint the reality of what happened very differently to what actually occurred. You are so caught up in your hatred of people moving into the area and your obsession with a ridiculous pastiche of what and whom they are that you aren’t worth having a conversation with. My family’s roots in Hackney go back to the 1920s. My experience with the complainants includes friends and strangers both online and in person and a lot of conversation, some civil, some not so.
So I’ll leave you to your anger, sweeping generalisations and prejudice because I’m more Hackney than you’ll ever be, and I don’t care to be spoken to by you in the tone in which I find in your message. I have better things to do.
@Paul
10 out of 10 again.
There are too many people protesting and moaning about gentrification, and not enough doing the same about betting shops.
I also don’t think there is any evidence for people ‘fuming’ because someone got stabbed.
All the best
Andreas
And a 10 out of 10 to you Andreas.
Nobody was ‘fuming’. Not a soul. That’s the kind of deluded, loaded nonsense that has annoyed me about this whole thing. Rob is so full of shit the toilet’s jealous.
I agree with some of the comments on here, protesting against a bar that posted an ill-advised tweet, yet not appearing to make any criticism of the attacker, someone got stabbed here, he was assisted by the staff, they called emergency services. Then came the ill-advised tweet that they have apologised for.
I have been to Bonneville, it’s a bit poncey, but looks great – I will go again.
Oh, and btw – I have lived in Hackney since 1993.
If you sit for 5 minuets in one of these “trendy” bars cafes or restaurants and listen to the way these stuck up snobs talk about the real hackney people, you would want to drag them out of hackney by their stupid beards.
What becomes perfectly clear is they despise local working class people, their culture and community. Their attitude is patronising at best. The reality is they are only interested in taking over our space our homes our businesses and our community.
Having lived in Hoxton the majority of my life I’ve been repulsed by the stuck up brigade polluting our streets for years. Unfortunately there’s little locals can do when your home is desired by the greedy rich who are brought up to believe they have the privilege status to get what ever they want even if it belongs to others.
That’s funny Carl – because I’ve bee around the area my whole life – and know plenty of people who have lived there for 20 years plus, 5 – 10 years, and those who just moved in the past couple of years. With one or two asides from hundreds, the people I know are not loaded. They are people who have worked themselves up from nothing to some sort of career and have scrimped and saved for a decade to get a deposit together and try and buy a house in an area they adore, just to get somewhere. You are full of crap.
I cannot stand people like you Carl. If someone posted about ‘if you sit in somewhere full of black people – or gay people’ and came to the same conclusions as you, we would undeniably be disgusted by the racism or homophobia. How are you, and your nasty threats of violence, any less bigoted? You are a lying on this thread to make a ridiculous point. You are so full of hatred. You need to take a long hard look at your own vile reflection. Imbecile.
Oh and Carl – I’m 40 this year and as I previously stated, my family (as far as we can trace) have been in Hackney since the 20s. You talk about ‘real Hackney people’ – this one challenges you to prove you’ve been here any further back than 2000. You are literally a spiteful little worm.
It doesn’t surprise me that lots of the ‘newcomers’ don’t give a thought to what went before, only caring about being seen drinking in the right places for this current fifteen minutes, before moving on. However it is quite sad that there is such a lack of consideration and respect given to the area that those twitter comments can get posted. Sacking someone for posting them? His/her attitude can’t be so different to those of the owners and patrons, otherwise they couldn’t be in charge of the bar’s twitter feed. I suggest attending local community meetings and possibly even everyone who works there being sent on a bit of a Hackney history lesson, a social media course and the B*nneville making a donation to a local charity wouldn’t be amiss.
Carl, you really are as mad as a herring. Who are all these ‘real’ people? And just how do the ‘stuck up snobs’ talk about real Hackney people. And how do you know what the ‘snobs’ have been saying? Are you telling us that you’ve actually been sitting in these ‘trendy’ bars? That’s the only way you’d know that they were slagging off proper Hackney people like you. And if you have been frequenting enemy territory doesn’t that make you a total hypocrite? What did you have to drink Carl? Was it a Peroni? Or perhaps a cappucino? It must be great being you because you’ve got the best of both worlds – living it up with the beardies in their posh cafés and slagging them off at the same time. To be quite honest, Carl, you are not one of the sharpest tools in the box, are you? If stupidity and hypocrisy were measured by the mile you would be able to go to the moon and back with enough idiocy left in the tank for a trip around the world. Hackney does not actually belong to any particular group. In the Victorian period it was very well-to-do. Oh, and they all had beards! I think you are just lazy with the way you think that it’s always somebody else’s fault. The reality is, Carl, that without decent schools, businesses who pay taxes and employ local people, we’d all be stuck in your world of despair, ignorance, anger and stupidity. Why don’t you go and live in Iraq because then you would think that the Clapton beard brigade are really just a bunch of pussycats. I’ll even chip in a few quid for your one way ticket. I’ll tell you what, I’ll even drive you to the airport and watch as you disappear over the horizon! You’re not Hackney, you’re hackneyed.
When the mask slips the true nature of gentrification is exposed.
The tweet in question was simply the mask slipping. ‘How dare these stupid people get in my way of making a profit’.
Local people ‘getting in the way’ of business isn’t new. Many of these middle/upper class “trendy hipsters” have adopted the position of the dominant oppressor class, with many similarities of their colonial ancestors who rocked up on the shores of Africa many moons ago laying claim to the gold the land and the people.
They to used the justification of ‘progressive development’ even though it was to the detriment of the indigenous people’s lives.
I have had countless arguments with the Hoxton invaders who try to tell me Hoxton was a cesspit before they turned up and ‘saved’ us all! Fact is all they have done is colonise an ever increasing area and then bussed in their class who can ‘safely’ stuff their faces and get pissed without having to interact with ‘the local scum’. They are reluctant to hire indigenous locals as they’re deemed not ‘trendy’ and instead they have opted for their ‘chums’ of overseas cheap labour. Fact is we neither need not want their crap overpriced establishments in Hackney.
Carl, I’ve been here forever – and the class of people you try to paint in a hideous, hateful light don’t exist. The guys with beards on Broadway – I know plenty of them and very very few of them are anything but working class, they aren’t snobs, they can barely scrape through their month on their paychecks and not one of them has ever made a comment about ‘real Hackney residents’ in any way shape or form as you’d like to try and make out. They are good people who love Hackney. That you want to ‘drag them out by their beards’ tells us all a lot about you. Try not to let your blinkered anger about people who are different to you leave you making public violent comments.
Brad I was born in Hackney in the 60’s and have seen many many different types come and go. From the Bangladeshis in the late 60’s to the squatter punks in the early 80’s and I’ve accepted them all and drunk with many. But over the last 20 years i have witnessed a nasty snobby disrespectful attitude not from overseas newcomers but from the stuck up British lot.
As for violence if u think dragging them out by their beards is violent u obviously have had a sense of humour bypass!
Was my post removed for noting that Carl doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool in the box? Well, Carl, I’m going to make my point again. You stated that you had been listening to the beardies in the posh cafés. That seems to be a little hypocritical. Why were you in these bars and cafés if you hate them so much? I just don’t get it. You either like frequenting these establishments or you don’t. And if you don’t then how did you hear the ‘stuck up snobs’ talking about ‘real’ people like you? Or were you just popping in for ‘five minutes’ for a quick cappucino or maybe a Peroni? As I have already said, you don’t have a monopoly an Hackney. It was quite posh in Victorian times. Carl, who are the ‘indigenous’ people? Just who are you talking about. Now, I’ll repeat what I said in the post that you probably asked to be removed because it was too close to the truth. If bigotry and ignorance could be measured in miles you would have enough to go to the moon and back with enough left in the tank for a trip around the world. Tolerance and cooperation are much better ways to organise society than decisive bigotry. Please don’t try to drag the rest of us down into the sad place where you are living. Ignorance and arrogance make a spiteful combination. You are not Hackney Carl, you are hackneyed.
When I came to Hackney…
Back then people didn’t walk around the streets looking at the houses like they thought they all for sale and ignoring the locals – totally get the parallels with colonialism, Carl. I have to go down Broadway Market to get my daughter’s school uniform and can see no benefits to regular local people – are they supposed to be pleased about a market stuffed full of wankers and overpriced products creating a ‘Hackney experience’ that prevents them from ever buying or renting a home of their own? I’ve lost count of my friends telling me how rude yuppies are to them simply for being Cockney. Clearly you are less local than you claim to be, Brad.
Back then, people didn’t think they were cool for drinking beer on a pavement or showing off the secret tattoos that they cover up at work or when they go to visit mummy and daddy. The problem with the majority of the ‘hipsters’ is they are not interested in the people of Hackney – they wouldn’t be here if their friends hadn’t decided it was ‘safe’. They couldn’t care less about any social problems that exist in Hackney – isn’t it lucky for them that lots of it has now been hidden in the parts that they dare not enter and doesn’t upstage them when they’re on a mission to be seen on ‘their’ glorious Hackney catwalk.
The community that was Hackney has been dispersed – people whose families had been here for generations and who wanted to continue to live here for generations more (many weren’t heading away from their parents like the average yuppie does) can’t because some rich wannabes decided it was cool to pose in London Fields and then gradually spread themselves through Hackney like a rotten fart. And the worst part is the constant parading around the place like everyone came here to admire your Oxfam-chic…like everyone really wants to see you eating here, drinking there, posing in the park – it’s so tasteless how much the average hipster thinks people want to look at them.
As for Brad – you are not a Hackney person who I recognise from when I came here – scrimped and scraped to get a deposit for a house in Hackney -hahaha – most people I know realised it just wasn’t going to happen and even if they were trying to save for a deposit – more likely to buy in Basildon – they didn’t scrimp and scrape down at the pub in Broadway market. The bearded possee brigade working class? hahaha … don’t make me laugh.
And all those of you who comment on here about how wonderful Hackney is now compared to how it used to be – aren’t you the lucky ones who could afford back then to buy a house or a business and are now laughing inside at the money you made?
Secret r,
OK you have the monopoly on Hackney and everyone else has to leave because you don’t like them. People aren’t allowed to have tattoos if they wear them discretely? Are you the Lord of the manor? Do you really mean it when you tell us that so-called ‘hipsters’ are taking over Hackney? What’s wrong with posing in a park? Who cares if they think people want to look at them? What’s eating you up? If you don’t like these people, do you know what? You can just ignore them. I’ve lived here for 20 years and brought up 5 kids here and I’m very proud of where I live. I make a valuable contribution to this community. I’m not posh. I’m too old to be a hipster. Whoever you are you don’t come across as a very tolerant person. We’re all just trying to make Clapton a better place to live and you are wrong to be prejudiced against one particular group. How do you know that a particular group of people don’t care about society’s problems? What’s wrong with Oxfam? Isn’t trying to do something better than bleating on about how everyone else is wrong and you are the real Hackney deal? I’m sorry that you think that the ills of society are exclusively the fault of other people and that you are an innocent victim. Where will you stop with this intolerance? One of my neighbours had her house blown up in the blitz. It was a very nice Victorian terrace. Very expensive. In your small world she was ‘parading’ like a ‘rotten fart’. She was lucky not to have been in her house at the time. So were lots of others. And do you know what? She was a wealthy Jewish immigrant who escaped from occupied France. So take it easy on people who move into Hackney because they’re not all Cockneys with a chip on their shoulder. In other words, Secret r, show a little kindness to your fellow men and women. There’s too much hatred in the world as it is. Try to spread a little happiness if you can. Take a chill pill and start trying to enjoy your life.
Kind regards
Paul B
Paul B,
My only issue with Oxfam is that the prices have gone up in the Dalston branch as a result of what’s happened 😉
I guess that working in a Hackney school, one that has not (like Mossbourne) been ‘gentrified’, may have made me bitter about the juxtaposition of wealth against poverty and the seeming chasm between families who have so little compared to people who have so much and have to make such a public display of the money they have for leisure time. To clarify, the chasm is equally a problem in Mossbourne, where frequently the friendship groups echo the wider politics of Hackney.
I totally agree that I need to take a chill pill. I have got a chip on my shoulder. The friends who have told me about the rudeness and snobbery they have experienced from the newcomers have never been ‘chip on the shoulder’ types. They simply talk about daily events and experiences.
I guess I simply prefer Hackney as it was, without the posing. I don’t believe that pubs make a place a better place to live. Especially not the types of pubs where you pay a premium to ‘buy in’ to an experience that does not reflect local needs or attract customers that reflect the local population.
This has reminded me of a small but significant thing that happened to me – two young women having a coffee outside a cafe in Wilton Way – lovely girls,very well spoken etc. Their bikes were laying across the pavement and I couldn’t get past with my pram. I asked them nicely to move their bikes and they said that I should steer around them via the gutter. Says it all really.
Guys, reeling off emotive anecdotes of where one human being has been thoughtless to another human being doesn’t help.
I’m sorry that you or your friends have experiences of someone being thoughtless or unkind to you.
But are you really making sweeping generalisations about the entire community on the basis of how one individual dresses… or how old they are… or how much you think they’re earning? What’s next, their gender… their colour… their religion?
It’s meaningless. In fact it’s ridiculous. It’s like saying that every 20 something male with dark skin and a beard is a terrorist.
I’ve lived in Hackney for years. I could relay dozens stories of where people have shoved me in the ribs just to get served first in the pub. Or where people have tried to sell me drugs or hurl abuse at me for no reason other than I’ve been walking down the street. My girlfriend could relay stories of where people have made lude remarks and hassled her on her way home from work. I have friends who’ve been beaten up and threatened with knives. These people were from a wide cross-section of the local community.
People from this very same cross-section of the community are also responsible for the Hackney we love. People who help each other out, fight for good causes, promote music and creativity and generally try to float on together without whispering in corners or and making judgements and assumptions about others.
This frenzied stereotyping is lazy, divisive and dangerous. Regardless of what someone wears, how much they earn, their gender, ethnicity, sexuality etc. You find examples of individuals from all walks of life doing good things and bad things. Hackney is populated by people.
Please let’s stop this bizarre and blinkered witch hunt.
Gentrification – well obviously the private housing stock of hackney is well beyond any who isn’t flatsharing, a couple or is earning over £30,000. Much of Hackney still remains council housing and therefore the gentrification process is in the hands of those who buy their property under the right to buy and sell it on.
I thought people would be outraged about some getting stabbed in the street but it seems to be accepted as a normal part of life.
A misjudged social media response is much more of an issue to these people, not hospitalising someone?
All you people saying that hackney folk are not outraged by stabbings are idiots. Its us that live amongst grieving families, its our community that mourns and our children who suffer. We are outraged that anyone could belittle knife crime because it ruined there night at the pub.